Ian Macdonald is the pastor of Anamesa Christian Church in Sherman Oaks, California, and also the author of the blog, Jesus not Jesús: Finding the Diving in the Space Between Us.

 You can learn more about Lenny Bruce on Wikipedia. And you can also review a whole slew of Lenny Bruce quotes here on Goodreads.

 There are a lot of quotes attributed to Aristotle. You can find a whole host of quotes on Goodreads. You can learn about Aristotle. 

You can read more wisdom from Rev. Dr. Seth Jones at either of the following two websites: The Psychedelic Pastor and his Weebly page, Rev. Dr. Seth Jones Sermons.

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 Original café music composed & created by Rev. Dr. Seth Jones.

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